Comments on: GadgetBridge — Taming dangerous technologies by pushing them into consumer gadgets https://russian.lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/gadgetbridge-taming-dangerous-technologies-by-pushing-them-into-consumer-gadgets Safeguarding Humanity Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:40:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Griffin https://russian.lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/gadgetbridge-taming-dangerous-technologies-by-pushing-them-into-consumer-gadgets#comment-126291 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:40:01 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3543#comment-126291 Although I’ve learned that we are all rlealy connected in this sense, I still don’t think about it rlealy when I meet other people or come in contact with someone new Peter. But I’ve always found this interesting I must admit. It just doesn’t stay in the forefront of my mind. Thanks for sharing and reminding me once again what is..~AdrienneAdrienne recently posted:

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By: Roland Schiefer https://russian.lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/gadgetbridge-taming-dangerous-technologies-by-pushing-them-into-consumer-gadgets#comment-106885 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:21:05 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3543#comment-106885 Thanks for the feed back so far. Here is what I made of it:

Paulius seems to think that GadgetBridge will just be one of the many places where the irrelevant can make each other feel important. Unfortunately, that is a likely outcome when the project is started on a shoestring. A badly advertised, obscure site has to be welcoming to all visitors who happen to stumble across it. Soon, it will be full of personal gripe and far-out stuff that drives more promising contributors away. But I still think that GadgetBridge could be made to work after a successful start — with solid financing, a clear business plan, effective PR and corporate backing.
 
John Cassel proposes an additional impact assessment step between design teams and retail shops that acts like a filter and takes out the most dangerous designs. GadgetBridge, on the other hand, is not a filter but a turbo-charger. It encourages people to feed their product ideas to design teams so that they can create more advanced consumer devices. That might require some explanation. I do not think that the main risks of future mind enhancement relate to accidents or personal abuse — the kind of problems that are likely to increase with a higher speed of product innovation. The main risks will rather relate to authoritarian regimes and terrorism, and these risks are best reduced by stimulating the “political immune systems” of societies with state-of-the-art consumer devices. That said, we obviously need better filters as well.
 
Michael Campbell wrote that a public voting system would not be the right way to select promising ideas. I fully agree. GadgetBridge would not even require an internal selection procedure, because it would be part of a social system that has such functions already. The first selectors would be the designers and engineers who pick promising ideas — followed by corporate lawyers who check whether their company could be sued — followed by supervisory authorities who need to approve the safety of the product — followed by critical consumers, consumer organisations, litigative groups of all kinds and many others. GadgetBridge users could therefore just focus on inventing without feeling bad about it.

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By: Michael Campbell https://russian.lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/gadgetbridge-taming-dangerous-technologies-by-pushing-them-into-consumer-gadgets#comment-106549 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 03:41:56 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3543#comment-106549 I absolutely agree that original ideas need a common public forum in which to compete. A reddit-style community upvoting system would cull the idea chaff.

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By: John Cassel https://russian.lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/gadgetbridge-taming-dangerous-technologies-by-pushing-them-into-consumer-gadgets#comment-106177 Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:38:56 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3543#comment-106177 GadgetBridge has some great ideas, but I have a concern. Sometimes I wonder if we are too quick to put potential gadgets into production, instead of thinking of them speculatively, as specifications, and then think through the various ways those gadgets might be deployed and what risks that entails. I think we could learn a lot about how we might want to treat these devices if we have some scenarios that think through their consequences. Although the results of preliminary design activities are far from definitive, I don’t think we have to build and market everything we come up immediately with to understand how we might want to engage its risks. Proceeding directly from science to production misses an important stage for risk mitigation.

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By: LHC Kritik https://russian.lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/gadgetbridge-taming-dangerous-technologies-by-pushing-them-into-consumer-gadgets#comment-106066 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:16:54 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3543#comment-106066 Respect Mr Schiefer for articulating this severe problem hopefully early enough in history.

Though, regarding the handling with the risks at CERN, an open source policy is obviously not enough. Only very few CERN experts got closer involved in the complex risk question. And the vast majority of their colleagues worldwide are simply believing them that their estimations are sufficient. In this concern, famous philosopher Humberto Maturana said: “Certainty is an emotion. I am sure means I do not know.”

Mankind needs much more institutes in research on long term risks.

Do you see possibilities that your concept can moderate or balance long term safety interests with short time profit interests and socio-psychological group think?

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By: Paulius https://russian.lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/gadgetbridge-taming-dangerous-technologies-by-pushing-them-into-consumer-gadgets#comment-105555 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:57:18 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3543#comment-105555 a penopticon in the adult playground is hard to ignore

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